I got some experience with various short pimple rubbers : 1. Dr Neubauer Pistol
This is a very different SP rubber from the rest. The sponge is very soft with a thin soft topsheet. I received the rubber from mail order and found the rubber to be dented. Only after three weeks to give flat surface. It is very light and spinny, by far the spinnest SP I have tried. It suits more on harder blades, such as carbon, but the speed may be too slow for a wood or other softer blades. Sometimes, I just use it as if a reverse rubber. Moreover, it is the lightest even a lot lighter than Stiga Innova Ultra Light. This rubber needs not any glue, actually cannot use glue, as it comes with a stick layer like a sticky tape. However, the stickiness would not lose even after 10 or more times taken off and put on. 2. Stiga Royal
It is soft but fast. Very good spin as well. Don't really need speed glue. 3. RITC 802-40 with 35 degree sponge.
A soft but fast rubber with good feel and spin. It is only of my favourite apart from the strange Pistol. 4. Butterfly FlareStorm.
Harder and very fast. Not that spinny. Best to be on softer blade. 5. Butterfly Challenger.
Not as hard as Flarestorm nor as fast. Not my favourite. 6. TSP Superpips.
Medium hardness, quite spinny but not very good feel. Medium weight. 7. Butterfly Westwill.
Not common found. Very soft sponge and slower but topsheet is also soft and spinny. May be good for chop. Blocking is too slow until one's stroke is ultra powerful. A bit harder sponge may be better. 8. RITC 563 with 35 degree spongy. Good feel and even faster and spinny than 802-40. 9. DHS Dragon and Sharpen
Harder sponge and Topsheet. Not much feeling. 10. Stiga Radical.
Rubbish. Rubber came off after a few gentle rubs. Hard and not spinny. Preferred Royal. 11. RITC 799 with MRS. Quite spinny. Topsheet is harder than 802-40 or 563.

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有点奇怪的理解？？这人手感？？？？而且名称也不是很...试译如下1，Dr. Neubauer Pistol(左轮)这是一块非常特别的正胶套胶，海绵特别软，胶皮很薄。我从快递收到套胶，发现胶皮有个凹陷.3星期后胶皮平整了特别轻，旋转性能好，是目前我用过的旋转最强的正胶。置于硬底板上最好,如碳板，但是如纯木板和其他种类软板的话速度会比较慢有时我直接把它当反胶用了。而它也是目前最轻的正胶套胶，甚至比STIGA INNOVA ULTRA LIGHT还轻而这块胶皮不需要使用胶水--实际上它用不了胶水。它海绵的部分是特别粘性直接粘在底板上的。而这种粘性在10余次撕下粘上之后是会失去的2，STIGA ROYAL软套胶，但速度好，旋转也好。不需要灌胶。3. RITC 802-40 35 度海绵. 软套胶，手感旋转速度俱佳，除了那块特异的PISTOL以外我最喜欢的4. Butterfly FlareStorm. 比较硬而速度快，不太转。用在软板上比较好（按：-_- 什么理解啊！这不是像传统正胶....）5.butterfly challenger(挑战者)对比上一款既不硬也不快。不太喜欢6.TSP Superpips.硬度中等，比较转但手感比较一般，重量中等7，Butterfly Westwill比较稀有。海绵和胶皮都很软，旋转也很不错。可能削球不错的。挡拉冲回球特别慢，除非对方拉冲超大力。海绵硬点的话挺不错 （按：-_-很强悍的防守型正胶！！！）8. RITC 563 配35 度海绵. 手感好，比802-40速度旋转都要好（按：-_-这人太强悍了）9.红双喜龙* （在GOOGLE只找到龙影，但是字面是龙锋，手感也差很多！难道是秘密出口产品？【按：后改，是闪灵，不知道为什么加了个龙的单词】）比较硬的海绵和胶皮。没什么感觉10. Stiga radical垃圾。胶皮轻轻擦几下就开始脱落。硬而旋转不好，还是ROYALE好。11，RITC 799比较转。胶皮比802-40和563要硬（他用799感觉比较转手感很不错了） [此贴子已经被作者于2008-5-24 22:20:32编辑过]

（continued）Forgot about Joola Tango Ultra which I have played the longest time.
Quite bouncy and spinny but the grip is getting less over time. Blocking loops can be effective with fast return. Control may be a bit less than 802-40. Have to speed glue when the rubber is old and aged to get back the speed. A medium weight rubber. Preferred RITC802-40 on most aspects including cheaper price. May be even faster than Stiga Royal. Hard to control if stick on a hard blade. Just too fast to react.接上帖，尤拉探戈 ULTRA正胶忘了说，我这个是打过时间最长的。弹力好旋转不错，但咬球力随时间过去而衰退。快挡弧圈不错。控制可能比40要差点，在老化时要灌胶辅助克服旋转。重量中等。基本上40各个方面，包括比较便宜的价格，是最优的。比ROYALE可能还快。在硬板上比较难控制，反应要求太快了。

楼下一人的回帖---------Thanks for the thorough reviews. I actually found 799's topsheet much softer than either 802-40's or 563. I wonder if you got an old sheet. I could never get as much spin as with 802-40 with it for some reason. Of the rubbers I've tried, I like Joola Tango Ultra the best though it does wear out after about 2 months. Also sometimes I get a sheet that doesn't have tension built-in so I have to speedglue it. I went down to 1.8 sponge from 2.0 and still seem to get plenty of speed and spin and much better control, so if the speed is bothering you maybe try thinner sponge. 802-40 seems very similar except a little harder topsheet and sponge. 889-2 has the softer sponge and topsheet, but you need to be careful when gluing it or using Ecolo Expander not to delaminate the topsheet. Another similar rubber to Joola Tango Ultra (JTU) is Andro Revolution COR pips. The topsheet is almost sticky, like Stiga Radical or Dawei 388B. At first the sponge felt hard but after gluing it it softened up. YOu can get a lot more spin on serves, pushes and flips but the down side is that you have to adjust your racket angle more to deal with spin so it isn't quite as good for blocking as JTU/802-40/889-2. Dawei 388B is similar but comes with a softer sponge and no tension built in so needs glue. Raystorm (the softer sponge version of Flarestorm) was the only Japanese rubber I tried that was as spinny as the above, but the throw angle was higher and the sponge was harder than JTU. I used it in 2.1 and didn't like it, but I did like 1.9 on the right blade, which would be softer and lower throw angle than the Joola Guo 3C I use now. 感谢楼上的详尽评论，我实际上感觉799的胶皮比563或者40的还软多了。所以我想您得到的胶皮是不是老化的。因为一些原因，我始终无法用它制造跟802-40同样程度的旋转。我打过的里面最喜欢还是 探戈ULTRA, 虽然2个月就报废了。有时我也买到一些没有内建的正胶，这些是要灌胶的。我把海绵从2.0改到1.8，速度和旋转没有降低，而控制手感好多了。因此如果速度有问题，你可以用用薄些的海绵40跟它有些像，就是海绵和胶皮都稍微硬些。889-2胶皮和海绵比较软，但涂胶水要小心，或者用ECOLO扩充器（字面译的），否则胶皮和海绵很容易分离的。另外一款类似的胶皮是ANDRO REVOLUTION COR,胶皮几乎是黏球的，如同STIGA RADICAL 或者大维388B一样（按：奇怪388B不是相对像652么）海绵比较硬，但过涂胶水后就软下来了。发球推挡和快点旋转都会强些，问题是你要更细微地调节拍型克服旋转，它推挡不如探戈ULTRA, 889和40好。388B比较类似，但它海绵更软，需要灌胶。RAYSTORM(就是FLARESTORM软海绵版)是我唯一使用的能制造与上述套胶一样的旋转程度的日本套胶，但其反弹角更高，海绵比尤拉要硬。我用过2.1海绵的，但不喜欢。1.9海绵的配上比较适当的底板。这样它可以更柔软，对挡弧圈的反弹角度比我现在用的尤拉 GUO 3C要低。

（CONTINUED）Nittaku Hammond FA wasn't as spinny as Raystorm or the other rubbers above but worked well on a hard, low throw angle blade. It has a very thin topsheet so feels softer than the sponge would indicate, sort of like Supersonic/Makss/Terminator. It's pips which have a wide base and narrow suddenly are good for a hitter and a nice upgrade from the harder sponge Yasaka T-Original. I've got a sheet of Stiga Royale I haven't tried yet, maybe I will eventually, though JTU works well enough I don't feel the need to switch. is it a sticky pips rubber like Radical? What is the throw angle like? Any tension built-in or does it need to be speed glued? Has anyone tried Butterfly Speedy P.O. Soft, especially in the 1.7 thickness? It advertises a lower throw angle than Raystorm, though it still has the vertically oriented pips typical of Japanese sheets, like Raystorm, Hammond FA, T-Original which usually mean a higher throw angle than the horizontally oriented pips like JTU, 802-40, 889-2, 388B, COR pips. The big advantage of Pistol, from what I've heard is the "weird" effect when blocking. While the rubbers above will give a flat ball, they aren't "weird." What is the pip orientation and throw angle of Pistol like? Is the topsheet at all similar to DHS Sharping, which is also supposed to have a "weird" effect? 接上帖：NITTAKU HAMMOND FA不如上述套胶旋转强，但在比较硬的反弹角比较低的底板上不错。它的胶皮很薄，而比海绵给我暗示的手感要更软，如Supersonic/Makss/Terminator。它的漏斗形颗粒（原文是宽底，突然窄一部分，唐鹏用，谁看看，因为我觉得两个漏斗型典型SPECTOL和IMPARTIAL都不是旋转好吃球好的，而梯形或叫宝塔型颗粒的REIN是偏怪的击打型）对于发力击打是非常好的，对于原本使用YASAKA T-ORIGINAL 较硬海绵的人而言是不错的升级版。我买了张STIGA ROYALE 但还没打过。可能我会打的，虽然尤拉我感觉不错，不需要换，它是跟RADICAL一样的“粘球”正胶吗？ 挡弧圈反弹角度如何？需要灌胶还是内建的？有人用过SPEEDY PO没？特别是1.7海绵的？虽然它是日式纵向颗粒排列但是挡弧圈反弹比RAYSTORM要平，而中式横向颗粒排列的尤拉，40，889，COR这些反弹角很平。PISTOL的特点听说是挡弧圈时弧线比较怪？上述套胶挡回弧线比较平但是不“怪”啊。PISTOL的颗粒排列是怎样的？反弹角度呢？跟闪灵很像？闪灵反弹角度应该也是比较怪异的？
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-5-24 22:26:46编辑过]

（同一人写）

------------I've never tried DHS 652, so I'll be interested to hear your thoughts. I'm also intrigued by the "mystery" 802-40. The only thing I didn't like about 802-40 was that its harder topsheet and sponge felt too hard on my blade. Blade and style makes a big difference, so if you (and others) could let us know what blade you use and how you use your short pips. Personally I'm a pips out Chinese style penholder with inverted on the backhand. I'm using the very hard, fairly fast Joola Guo 3C blade. I started playing Japanese style penhold with inverted so I tend to loop to open the point and finish with a smash once I get into a topspin exchange. My blocking has improved, but I wouldn't call it a major part of my game. 我从没打过652,所以我对楼上想法比较感兴趣。同时我也对“神秘的”40有了些兴趣。我不爽40的是它的胶皮海绵比较硬，放在我底板上不好打。底板和打法差异是一大因素，所以你（其他人也最好可以）的底板和你的打法可以跟我们分享吗？我个人是中式底板正正反反，底板是非常硬速度比较快的尤拉 GUO 3C我现在开始玩日直反胶，因此我现在打法倾向于先拉起来在对拉中扣弧圈得分。我推挡进步了，但它在我打法体系中始终不是主要强项技术。

royale是STIGA生产的更好的正胶。海绵也更软而弹。我想如果不是用在特软或者木的板上，它没必要灌胶。
这是我用的第三块尤拉探戈，它还比较新，旋转能力和弹性仍然比较强，另外两块之前的速度衰减严重，旋转能力也基本没了。它太早衰，新的话我还是能用的。
RADICAL就太烂了，粘了点浅色的灰尘，就特别难洗掉。我试着用手指去搓洗，居然搓下颗粒的碎屑，而且越来越多，最后我干脆用一个球把颗粒整个磨短了一层。球因为摩擦热度而变形，胶皮则融了，变得更粘（超级无语）
废物。海绵也那么硬。不要在它上面扔钱，用STIGA的话ROYALE就好了

我都不明白为什么人们想用更粘的胶皮，这简直浪费资源。球走得慢了，但因为惯性，未必更转，拍子倒了球飞几秒也不会落下，为吗呢
RITC GEOSPIN粘性胶皮，狂飙 ，等等？这些胶皮在粘性层磨光后性能更好，速度更快。

下面某人补充：WESTWILL是44毫米球使用的套胶（按：果然适应老年打法的产品！！！！！！）

-------------(上面一人回帖)Yes, so the pips are a tad wider and more widely spaced. I imagine the easist short pips to chop with would be a smaller, more densely packed design, perhaps like Nittaku's PimpleMini (though these don't appear to be all that dense from the web photo). Such a design would create more grippy pip sides/shoulders to engage the ball during chops, but still be reasonble non-reactive to spin when flat hitting.是的，所以胶粒更宽一点，间隙更大一点我想削球最好的正胶是小颗粒密集型的，可能像 NITTAKU PIMPLEMINI(虽然这些并不是像网上照片那样密集的)。如此设计可以在颗粒的侧面和顶部边缘（肩部？？）产生更好的咬球力，削的时候更好吃住球，但平击时仍然有不吃转特性。 [此贴子已经被作者于2008-5-24 22:24:14编辑过]

第三人回帖--------Hmm, I've used both, and I guess weirdness can start small. I threw out the Sharping in the end (I couldn't use it due to a lack of low gears v my over the table game skills- for me 802-40 was much better), so I can't compare the pips to Pistol. I didn't like pistol because it seems to have two very distinct gears, fast and slow, and I found it hard to manage/predict the sudden gear changes. I'm sure familarity would eventually solve this, but it's not a rubber to slap on a blade and instantly play well with. Yes, in counter rallies it did offer some weirdness, but I didn't see this appear at low and medium speed, and the penality of the weirdness is slightly reduced ball path predictability. Pistol is a strange rubber (or at least it has a strange "sponge" -double sided adhesive stuff you'd normally use for mounting things inside a computer, or to a wall), and for the right game style I'm sure it would mess up opponents nicely.嗯，我两个都用了，我想怪异在开始（意思应该是未熟手时？）比较小。我把闪灵最后放弃了，（因为我台内球比较差。802-40对我来说好多了。）所以我不能用它跟PISTOL对比我不爽PISTOL因为它有两个回球极端，很快和很慢，而我自己控制不了这个快慢，变化太突然了。我想熟练度会解决这个问题，但是它决不是一块粘上马上打得好的套胶PISTOL确实在回合球中使球怪异些（按，这东西估计跟HALLMARK长胶一样不经ITTF批准的东西吧...），但在慢速和中速回球中我发现这一怪异性几乎没有，仅仅是稍微让回球的轨迹预判性差一点。它真是一个怪异的套胶（如果不是胶皮，至少海绵很怪异----两面都粘的货色，你一般用在电脑机箱内，或者粘东西在墙上）如果用得好，用在正式比赛场合它肯定是让对手无所适从的好东西。 [此贴子已经被作者于2008-8-24 14:14:12编辑过]

xzx辛苦了！Stiga Royal在所有的评论当中，都是好好好，没见到一个负面的。当今唯一一款纳米海绵正胶，想试的人不妨下手。

I've tried the 652, dragonow and sharping from DHS and I can say that their pips offer very little feeling as most of the combinations are too hard (topsheet and sponge). The topsheets on each of them are fairly hard and the sponge used is around 42-45 ish degrees which makes it feel very stiff and spinless. Out of their whole range the dragonow is the only decent playing one as its pips offer a tad more grip than the other 2. 652 is a oldschool pip and its been around for ages. Very classical in feel but the pips are a tad taller than normal shortpips.
我试过红双喜的652，龙影和闪灵【按……】，我觉得它们的颗粒都没什么手感，都太硬了（胶皮和海绵）胶皮都相当硬，海绵基本上42-45ISH度，这样就显得旋转能力不怎么样。这系列里龙影是比较出众的，因为颗粒稍大。652是老式颗粒，已经存在N年了。特别经典，但是颗粒比较高。